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Post by typicalmangafan on Nov 18, 2014 23:23:40 GMT -5
As we all know, Mjölnir is the mighty hammer of Thor, the Asgardian god of thunder. It is a powerful weapon that can call upon lighting and thunder for essentially anyone who can wield it. The problem is that not everyone can wield it. Odin basically put a spell on it that makes it infinitely heavy for the one who it considers to not have the necessary moral fiber. Marvel has made it apparent that not even someone as powerful as the Hulk can lift it. Obviously people like Loki cannot lift it, as well as other villains. However, even among the heroes, very few have been considered worthy. Thor, Odin, Beta Ray Bill, Storm, Thunderstrike, and Captain America have been some of the few who have been considered worthy. Exactly what determines the value of their moral fiber? There have been many heroes who have been willing to sacrifice their lives to protect the innocent, and in the film "Thor," Thor basically proved himself by attempting to sacrifice his life to save Jane and her friends. While people like Iron Man and Hulk have their issues, why can't any of the other heroes do it? Do heroes like War Machine/Iron Patriot (no, he isn't a warmonger despite his name), and Hawkeye have something against them? Don't they put their lives on the line all the time? Wouldn't they sacrifice their lives to save the innocent? If you think about it, Mjölnir's standards seem very subjective. Heck, in the Avengers: Age of Ultron trailer, Captain America could only slightly lift it. Narratively, it makes sense because you'd want him to lift Mjölnir during the climax of the film, hence why he was able to nudge a little. Plotwise, why didn't Mjölnir let Captain America lift it completely? It's not like Captain America has to prove himself because he's done so many times, particularly when he tried to shield his allies from a dummy grenade thrown by commanding officer as a test of character. The test was eerily similar to how Thor proved himself to Mjölnir. It's shown that you don't have to any of those heroics in the presence of Mjölnir, so why wasn't that enough? Then there's Captain America intentionally crash-landing the plane that he was in in order to prevent its bombs from deploying in the United States. There are so many discrepancies that I'm noticing with Mjölnir.
Anyone have ideas as to why this is the case?
What do you guys think Mjölnir uses for its criteria to determine someone's moral fiber?
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Post by didannl on Nov 18, 2014 23:32:54 GMT -5
the thing with captain america is that he dosent need the lighting. His image is the ordinary american with a little boost. Cap is supposed to be the almost average guy with great morale, combining that with an overpowered godly weapon wouldn't make a great combo. so maybe it isn't about "who is worthy" but more "who needs the power and will use it well". Hell, we don't even know what race the new "Lady" Thor is! she could be human and worthy.
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Post by typicalmangafan on Nov 18, 2014 23:43:51 GMT -5
the thing with captain america is that he dosent need the lighting. His image is the ordinary american with a little boost. Cap is supposed to be the almost average guy with great morale, combining that with an overpowered godly weapon wouldn't make a great combo. so maybe it isn't about "who is worthy" but more "who needs the power and will use it well". Hell, we don't even know what race the new "Lady" Thor is! she could be human and worthy. Being human doesn't prevent you from wielding Mjölnir. Captain America does eventually lift it. Beta Ray Bill isn't an Asgardian and Storm isn't one either (mutants are essentially human but with the X-gene, which obviously has nothing to do with lifting the hammer). |
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Post by didannl on Nov 18, 2014 23:49:23 GMT -5
I meant it as a counter point to your point about mortals wielding it. That trailer is so funny btw
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Post by typicalmangafan on Nov 18, 2014 23:54:45 GMT -5
I meant it as a counter point to your point about mortals wielding it. That trailer is so funny btw I never said anything about mortals wielding it. I only mentioned the others by name or with the term, "hero." And yeah, the trailer was pretty funny.  |
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Post by oneijac on Jan 11, 2015 15:41:16 GMT -5
In the Marvel vs DC crossover when wonder woman grabs the hammer, I think she said it best that "worthy is an awfully subjective term. how does one determine worthiness..?" it is not only a matter of virtue to wield the hammer, but pride as well. if you think you deserve the powers of a god....you probably don't. Only those who are humble enough and probably don't see themselves as worthy are worth wielding godlike powers with wisdom and restraint. Even though Cap. has the heart to lift it, in the trailer he was being prideful. In the Thor movie, when Thor thought he deserved the hammer, he couldn't lift it. Only when he needed to be Thor, but didn't think he deserved its power was when it came to him.
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Post by typicalmangafan on Jan 14, 2015 1:13:37 GMT -5
In the Marvel vs DC crossover when wonder woman grabs the hammer, I think she said it best that "worthy is an awfully subjective term. how does one determine worthiness..?" it is not only a matter of virtue to wield the hammer, but pride as well. if you think you deserve the powers of a god....you probably don't. Only those who are humble enough and probably don't see themselves as worthy are worth wielding godlike powers with wisdom and restraint. Even though Cap. has the heart to lift it, in the trailer he was being prideful. In the Thor movie, when Thor thought he deserved the hammer, he couldn't lift it. Only when he needed to be Thor, but didn't think he deserved its power was when it came to him. You bring up a nice point, although I'm curious as to whether or not someone can become prideful after lifting the hammer. I'm sure Thor was just kidding when he said, "You're all not worthy." but even when made as just a joke, it still sounds very prideful, especially when it was confirmed that most of his comrades could not lift the hammer. Also, while the concept of "worthiness" is very subjective to us, to a hammer under a magical spell cast by a Norse god, there may be a more consistent and objective line of reasoning. Of course, all this analysis is just for fun as it's obvious that the writers don't want just any hero to be able to lift it, since there are a lot of them in the Marvel Universe and it would lower Thor's value to the story. |
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Post by oneijac on Jan 14, 2015 10:34:16 GMT -5
In the Marvel vs DC crossover when wonder woman grabs the hammer, I think she said it best that "worthy is an awfully subjective term. how does one determine worthiness..?" it is not only a matter of virtue to wield the hammer, but pride as well. if you think you deserve the powers of a god....you probably don't. Only those who are humble enough and probably don't see themselves as worthy are worth wielding godlike powers with wisdom and restraint. Even though Cap. has the heart to lift it, in the trailer he was being prideful. In the Thor movie, when Thor thought he deserved the hammer, he couldn't lift it. Only when he needed to be Thor, but didn't think he deserved its power was when it came to him. You bring up a nice point, although I'm curious as to whether or not someone can become prideful after lifting the hammer. I'm sure Thor was just kidding when he said, "You're all not worthy." but even when made as just a joke, it still sounds very prideful, especially when it was confirmed that most of his comrades could not lift the hammer. Also, while the concept of "worthiness" is very subjective to us, to a hammer under a magical spell cast by a Norse god, there may be a more consistent and objective line of reasoning. Of course, all this analysis is just for fun as it's obvious that the writers don't want just any hero to be able to lift it, since there are a lot of them in the Marvel Universe and it would lower Thor's value to the story. hammers! hammers for everybody! woo hoo! lol |
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